Hepatitis B and painkillers

Hi,
I have hepatitis b and fibrosis F3. I use tenafovir medication to control the disease, and try to have a healthy diet. The only thing is that I have kind of migraine and get headaches so offen. and the only medication which helps me is ibuprofen. But I know this might be so toxic for liver. But when I ask the doctors they usually seem so cool and say it is ok to take painkillers if it is not so many.
My question is that what do you usually take as a painkiller for bad pains?

Hi Goldmond,

In my personal experience, I used to have primary and general doctors tell me to use ibuprofin and not tylenol. The last few hepatologists I have had, have told me the opposite, to take tylenol and not ibuprofin. I even had a discussion with one of my hepatologists and told him that previous doctors have told me to stay away from tylenol and take ibuprofin. His response was, “Well, they weren’t liver specialists.”

Take from that what you will. Best answer is to see a ‘liver specialist’ if you can and ask them what is best for your situation based on your liver.

I get flare-ups at times throughout my entire abdominal area and GI tract and it becomes so severe that I would have to go to the hospital if I didn’t take prescription pain meds. They have tried many on me that I became so sick from that they put them on my allergy medicine list, like Tramadol. The only one we have found that I can tolerate is hydrocodone and that causes me many side-effects, so I only use it when pain is severe. Oh… and I have cirrhosis that has progressed into many other issues which causes such pain severity. For average pain, I use tylenol.

I would be interested in what the medical professionals in our community have to say about this and if they agree with my hepatologists about tylenol and not ibuprofin and if so, what the difference is within the body and the liver.

Hope this helps,

-Paul

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Really interesting question!

I had always preferred ibuprofen over paracetamol (tylenol/panadol) because I hear more about paracetamol-associated liver injury, but never really thought about it aside from that.

Perhaps our @HealthExperts or pharmacists (@hope4us, @Patricia) can shed some light on this?

Cheers,
Thomas

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For the general population, what I was taught as a pharmacist is that Acetaminophen = Tylenol is fine as long as one is aware that Acetaminophen is found in many combination products such as Percocet and Vicodin and over the counter cold medications. Since overdoses do not take long to affect the liver, it was thought to lower the maximum daily dose of acetaminophen from 4000 mg/24 hrs to 3000mg/24 hrs. It does not work on inflammation.

Ibuprofen is considered among the safest NSAID rarely causing severe acute liver injury in low doses. However per another nih article, higher rates of ALT elevations occur with high full doses of 2400-3200mg a day. These elevations were noted to be mild rarely above 100 iu/L. There are very rare cases of acute cholesterol liver injury.

If there is already liver damage, it is best to check with your hepatologist.

I found an interesting article on Pain management in cirrhotic patients, it RECOMMENDS ACETAMINOPHEN AT REDUCED DOSES. For patients with cirrhosis, it says NSAIDs should be avoided to avert renal failure and opiates should be used sparingly to prevent encephalopathy.

This is probably too much info. But I hope this helps. I don’t know what f3 fibrosis is but if you don’t have cirrhosis and have severe pain that low doses of either drug is not adequate, it may be ok to alternate between the 2 meds if needed as they often do this for kids with fever so the meds can be given at shorter intervals.

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Thanks @PuallyHBV @ThomasTu and @hope4us for your answers. All were so precious and helpful for me.

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Thanks hope4us,

This makes sense and would explain why, general and primary practioners would recommend ibuprofin to me and yet hepatologists would do the opposite and prescribe tylenol. It must be due to the level of cirrhosis.

Thanks again,

-Paul

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@Goldmond, I forgot to add that if you take ibuprofen, be sure it’s not taken on an empty stomach as this increases risk for stomach bleeds.

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Hi @PuallyHBV,

I am glad I found that article. Thanks for all your insight and sharing your experience. I hope you find encouragement here.

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Agree with the advice. Small doses of paracetamol/acetaminophen are safe for the liver even in people with liver disease - up to 6 tablets (3000mg daily) is fine in liver disease. Paracetamol/acetaminophen is only dangerous in large quantities or when taken over the safe recommendations for a few days in a row or more when its metabolites can accumulate and cause liver and kidney failure. Not a concern at low doses.

Hepatologists avoid NSAIDs like ibuprofen in severe liver disease because of impacts on kidney function and fluid retention in particular. If using NSAIDs should monitor kidney function.

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Try turmeric pills. You can find it raised in ast alt in some articles on the internet and other articles says it’s fine.

Had back pains and I took turmeric pills and pain was gone. They were big pills and took 3 a day. Just an alternative

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